Posts by joey jojo

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Is there a surge in "Upwakers"?

by Phizzy in

the stupid word in the topic title is a piss-take on the bloody silly jw word "needgreaters" that i have seen them use.. but my question is genuine, i know it is a cyclical thing, we get what seems to be a lot of newbies, and then things quieten down, but not just on here, elsewhere on social media i am seeing stories of people finding the courage to leave, having woken up for a variety of reasons, but usually the child abuse scandal, and the spiteful, judgmental nature of many jw's, who, though supposedly friends, will run off to the elders to snitch on you, not talk to you.

is their a real increase in those leaving ?

i do hope so, so many more finding real freedom and happiness !.

joey jojo

Hey Phizzy.

Wondering if coming to the end of 2018 has been a mental trigger for some?

100 yrs from 1914 - 2014 might have started the slide and the arrival of 2018, 100 yrs since the end of ww1 has sealed the deal?

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This Is It?

by Nevuela in

i can't say much out of fear of getting caught, but i overheard a jw i know on the phone with a friend talking about "how close we are to the end.

" yeah, yeah, i know.

we've been on the brink of armageddon for well over a century, but what struck me about this particular instance was what she said next.

joey jojo

Googling 'end of world predictions' displays a long list in which JW's feature.

The long list of failed prophecies , which includes Jim Jones and Charles Manson should embarrass anyone associated with any of the organisations on it. But it doesn't seem to worry dubs.

There is power in knowing something that only your group knows and this gives average people a feeling of superiority over others.

JW history has been pure speculation sold as unfailing prophecy.

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WT Child/Sexual Abuse Cases and etc

by jdash in

i had this argument with my grandmother and uncles about scandals that the jw's covered up and whatnot, and they won't budge.

i brought up the australian royal commission and of course they laughed.

they then said that the governing body has never lost a sexual abuse case but the "person" who did the crime got charged.

joey jojo

Hang in there. An elder friend of mine laughed when I raised the issue of the Wt involvement with the U. N. Another elder friend told me that the guardian newspaper that broke the story was successfully sued by the wt. 🙄

They are making it all up in their heads. It's hard to reason with anyone like that.

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The Biggest Issue Is Not Guns—It Is Mental Health!

by minimus in

jw
friends

crazy people shoot up places and kill people.

take away guns and they will find knives, poison, bombs , etc.. seriously, there are a lot of mentally unhealthy people!

they need professional long term help..

joey jojo

Ha ha, nice. 😄

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The Biggest Issue Is Not Guns—It Is Mental Health!

by minimus in

jw
friends

crazy people shoot up places and kill people.

take away guns and they will find knives, poison, bombs , etc.. seriously, there are a lot of mentally unhealthy people!

they need professional long term help..

joey jojo

Minimus, someone has already pointed out in this thread that a person could feel ok today - then tomorrow start shooting.

This latest shooting was headline news in Australia this morning, like every other mass shooting in the U. S. Personally I don't know why we have so much concern for what happens in the U.S. concerning gun laws. If you guys don't give a f%+k, why should the rest of us?

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The Biggest Issue Is Not Guns—It Is Mental Health!

by minimus in

jw
friends

crazy people shoot up places and kill people.

take away guns and they will find knives, poison, bombs , etc.. seriously, there are a lot of mentally unhealthy people!

they need professional long term help..

joey jojo

The idea that so called 'good guys with guns' will save the day is a dangerous idea to risk your life with.

During the shooting in Las Vegas there were people in the crowd licenced and carrying but didn't pull their guns out for fear of being mistaken for the shooter. This is just one example. Anyone that has done any kind of self defence classes involving the use of guns will tell you what a chaotic, deadly situation it is.

It is so obvious to neutral outsiders looking at the U. S. gun violence that the problem isn't mental illness, it is the laughable ease with which almost anyone can get their hands on a 'tool', thats only function is to kill efficiently.

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February 2018 Watchtower - Addressing abuse Victims

by Listener in

there's a preview note on one of the articles in this newly released watchtower.

the note can be found on an article titled "part 1 of 4 love and justice in ancient israel".the note states -.

this article is the first in a series of four that will discuss why we can be sure that jehovah cares about us.

joey jojo

There is something about using the ancient Israelite culture as a parallel to modern society that feels so wrong.

Instead of directly addressing the massive problem of the mishandling of child abuse, we are taken on a speculative journey into what life might have been like 3000 yrs ago in the middle east, a culture that would seem alien to us in 2018.

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Hey jesus! So tell us all about heaven!

by nowwhat? in

i always wondered, how come the apostles never asked jesus what heaven is like compare to earth.

and wouldn't they be bugging jesus to tell them all kind of stories of such?.

joey jojo

Great question nowwhat.

Steve, your comment raises an important issue, well, to me anyway. :)

Jesus was supposed to be the most powerful, important creature to ever walk the earth, the son of God. Why wouldn't EVERY word that came put of his mouth be recorded to help all of humanity? This was our one big chance in history to get the answers to everything we have always wondered about.

They could have asked medical, scientific, philosophical questions- anything at all.

Jesus could have even given some simple advice like: 'hey guys, you might want to start boiling water before you drink it'. That single bit of advice would have saved more lives than the lives lost from every war in history- water-borne disease is still the number one killer according to WHO.

There are so many questions Jesus could have answered but it seems no one thought to ask. That seems kind of weird.

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Things you will never hear a good Jehovah’s Witness say (to another Jehovah’s Witness)

by hoser in

i’ll start it off.

boy did we get drunk last night.

joey jojo

1. I just explained to that householder how we arrive at 1914, using only the bible.

2. I've decided to start printing my own bible literature.

3. I wish the conventions still lasted 7 days.

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Congratulations to the W. T.

by joey jojo in

i think congratulations are long overdue to the wt for the excellent job they do of keeping members dumbed-down and feeling safe inside the cocoon of a hive mind.

they tell us that the best education program in the world is reading the wt publications but here is a conversation i had with my uber elder buddy yesterday that may prove otherwise.

we were talking about the october broadcast and the question of whether gods name should be included or not, when i made an offhand comment about the compiling of the new testament and the canonisation of its books.

joey jojo

Just wanted to add that I started this topic and just wrote off the cuff at work, so I didn't have time to add some links.

In defence of my buddy, I am certainly no biblical scholar either and the irony is that I have learned more about the bible after I stopped attending meetings.

As usual, some great threads about this topic right here on these forums.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/176540/bible-canon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Christian_biblical_canon